How Public AI Can Strengthen Democracy

With the world’s focus turning to misinformationmanipulation, and outright propaganda ahead of the 2024 U.S. presidential election, we know that democracy has an AI problem. But we’re learning that AI has a democracy problem, too. Both challenges must be addressed for the sake of democratic governance and public protection.

Just three Big Tech firms (Microsoft, Google, and Amazon) control about two-thirds of the global market for the cloud computing resources used to train and deploy AI models. They have a lot of the AI talent, the capacity for large-scale innovation, and face few public regulations for their products and activities.

The increasingly centralized control of AI is an ominous sign for the co-evolution of democracy and technology. When tech billionaires and corporations steer AI, we get AI that tends to reflect the interests of tech billionaires and corporations, instead of the general public or ordinary consumers.

To benefit society as a whole we also need strong public AI as a counterbalance to corporate AI, as well as stronger democratic institutions to govern all of AI.

One model for doing this is an AI Public Option, meaning AI systems such as foundational large-language models designed to further the public interest. Like public roads and the federal postal system, a public AI option could guarantee universal access to this transformative technology and set an implicit standard that private services must surpass to compete.

Widely available public models and computing infrastructure would yield numerous benefits to the U.S. and to broader society. They would provide a mechanism for public input and oversight on the critical ethical questions facing AI development, such as whether and how to incorporate copyrighted works in model training, how to distribute access to private users when demand could outstrip cloud computing capacity, and how to license access for sensitive applications ranging from policing to medical use. This would serve as an open platform for innovation, on top of which researchers and small businesses—as well as mega-corporations—could build applications and experiment.

Versions of public AI, similar to what we propose here, are not unprecedented. Taiwan, a leader in global AI, has innovated in both the public development and governance of AI. The Taiwanese government has invested more than $7 million in developing their own large-language model aimed at countering AI models developed by mainland Chinese corporations. In seeking to make “AI development more democratic,” Taiwan’s Minister of Digital Affairs, Audrey Tang, has joined forces with the Collective Intelligence Project to introduce Alignment Assemblies that will allow public collaboration with corporations developing AI, like OpenAI and Anthropic. Ordinary citizens are asked to weigh in on AI-related issues through AI chatbots which, Tang argues, makes it so that “it’s not just a few engineers in the top labs deciding how it should behave but, rather, the people themselves.”

A variation of such an AI Public Option, administered by a transparent and accountable public agency, would offer greater guarantees about the availability, equitability, and sustainability of AI technology for all of society than would exclusively private AI development.

Training AI models is a complex business that requires significant technical expertise; large, well-coordinated teams; and significant trust to operate in the public interest with good faith. Popular though it may be to criticize Big Government, these are all criteria where the federal bureaucracy has a solid track record, sometimes superior to corporate America.

After all, some of the most technologically sophisticated projects in the world, be they orbiting astrophysical observatories, nuclear weapons, or particle colliders, are operated by U.S. federal agencies. While there have been high-profile setbacks and delays in many of these projects—the Webb space telescope cost billions of dollars and decades of time more than originally planned—private firms have these failures too. And, when dealing with high-stakes tech, these delays are not necessarily unexpected.

Given political will and proper financial investment by the federal government, public investment could sustain through technical challenges and false starts, circumstances that endemic short-termism might cause corporate efforts to redirect, falter, or even give up.

The Biden administration’s recent Executive Order on AI opened the door to create a federal AI development and deployment agency that would operate under political, rather than market, oversight. The Order calls for a National AI Research Resource pilot program to establish “computational, data, model, and training resources to be made available to the research community.”

While this is a good start, the U.S. should go further and establish a services agency rather than just a research resource. Much like the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) administers public health insurance programs, so too could a federal agency dedicated to AI—a Centers for AI Services—provision and operate Public AI models. Such an agency can serve to democratize the AI field while also prioritizing the impact of such AI models on democracy—hitting two birds with one stone.

Like private AI firms, the scale of the effort, personnel, and funding needed for a public AI agency would be large—but still a drop in the bucket of the federal budget. OpenAI has fewer than 800 employees compared to CMS’s 6,700 employees and annual budget of more than $2 trillion. What’s needed is something in the middle, more on the scale of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, with its 3,400 staff, $1.65 billion annual budget in FY 2023, and extensive academic and industrial partnerships. This is a significant investment, but a rounding error on congressional appropriations like 2022’s $50 billion  CHIPS Act to bolster domestic semiconductor production, and a steal for the value it could produce. The investment in our future—and the future of democracy—is well worth it.

What services would such an agency, if established, actually provide? Its principal responsibility should be the innovation, development, and maintenance of foundational AI models—created under best practices, developed in coordination with academic and civil society leaders, and made available at a reasonable and reliable cost to all US consumers.

Foundation models are large-scale AI models on which a diverse array of tools and applications can be built. A single foundation model can transform and operate on diverse data inputs that may range from text in any language and on any subject; to images, audio, and video; to structured data like sensor measurements or financial records. They are generalists which can be fine-tuned to accomplish many specialized tasks. While there is endless opportunity for innovation in the design and training of these models, the essential techniques and architectures have been well established.

Federally funded foundation AI models would be provided as a public service, similar to a health care private option. They would not eliminate opportunities for private foundation models, but they would offer a baseline of price, quality, and ethical development practices that corporate players would have to match or exceed to compete.

And as with public option health care, the government need not do it all. It can contract with private providers to assemble the resources it needs to provide AI services. The U.S. could also subsidize and incentivize the behavior of key supply chain operators like semiconductor manufacturers, as we have already done with the CHIPS act, to help it provision the infrastructure it needs.

The government may offer some basic services on top of their foundation models directly to consumers: low hanging fruit like chatbot interfaces and image generators. But more specialized consumer-facing products like customized digital assistants, specialized-knowledge systems, and bespoke corporate solutions could remain the provenance of private firms.

The key piece of the ecosystem the government would dictate when creating an AI Public Option would be the design decisions involved in training and deploying AI foundation models. This is the area where transparency, political oversight, and public participation could affect more democratically-aligned outcomes than an unregulated private market.

Some of the key decisions involved in building AI foundation models are what data to use, how to provide pro-social feedback to “align” the model during training, and whose interests to prioritize when mitigating harms during deployment. Instead of ethically and legally questionable scraping of content from the web, or of users’ private data that they never knowingly consented for use by AI, public AI models can use public domain works, content licensed by the government, as well as data that citizens consent to be used for public model training.

Public AI models could be reinforced by labor compliance with U.S. employment laws and public sector employment best practices. In contrast, even well-intentioned corporate projects sometimes have committed labor exploitation and violations of public trust, like Kenyan gig workers giving endless feedback on the most disturbing inputs and outputs of AI models at profound personal cost.

And instead of relying on the promises of profit-seeking corporations to balance the risks and benefits of who AI serves, democratic processes and political oversight could regulate how these models function. It is likely impossible for AI systems to please everybody, but we can choose to have foundation AI models that follow our democratic principles and protect minority rights under majority rule.

Foundation models funded by public appropriations (at a scale modest for the federal government) would obviate the need for exploitation of consumer data and would be a bulwark against anti-competitive practices, making these public option services a tide to lift all boats: individuals’ and corporations’ alike. However, such an agency would be created among shifting political winds that, recent history has shown, are capable of alarming and unexpected gusts. If implemented, the administration of public AI can and must be different. Technologies essential to the fabric of daily life cannot be uprooted and replanted every four to eight years. And the power to build and serve public AI must be handed to democratic institutions that act in good faith to uphold constitutional principles.

Speedy and strong legal regulations might forestall the urgent need for development of public AI. But such comprehensive regulation does not appear to be forthcoming. Though several large tech companies have said they will take important steps to protect democracy in the lead up to the 2024 election, these pledges are voluntary and in places nonspecific. The U.S. federal government is little better as it has been slow to take steps toward corporate AI legislation and regulation (although a new bipartisan task force in the House of Representatives seems determined to make progress). On the state level, only four jurisdictions have successfully passed legislation that directly focuses on regulating AI-based misinformation in elections. While other states have proposed similar measures, it is clear that comprehensive regulation is, and will likely remain for the near future, far behind the pace of AI advancement. While we wait for federal and state government regulation to catch up, we need to simultaneously seek alternatives to corporate-controlled AI.

In the absence of a public option, consumers should look warily to two recent markets that have been consolidated by tech venture capital. In each case, after the victorious firms established their dominant positions, the result was exploitation of their userbases and debasement of their products. One is online search and social media, where the dominant rise of Facebook and Google atop a free-to-use, ad supported model demonstrated that, when you’re not paying, you are the product. The result has been a widespread erosion of online privacy and, for democracy, a corrosion of the information market on which the consent of the governed relies. The other is ridesharing, where a decade of VC-funded subsidies behind Uber and Lyft squeezed out the competition until they could raise prices.

The need for competent and faithful administration is not unique to AI, and it is not a problem we can look to AI to solve. Serious policymakers from both sides of the aisle should recognize the imperative for public-interested leaders not to abdicate control of the future of AI to corporate titans. We do not need to reinvent our democracy for AI, but we do need to renovate and reinvigorate it to offer an effective alternative to untrammeled corporate control that could erode our democracy.

Posted on March 7, 2024 at 7:00 AM32 Comments

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Bownse March 7, 2024 9:13 AM

As always, great content. I’ll play Luddite and point out that we aren’t a democracy and none of our founding documents use the word. We are precise when addressing IT issues, we should be so in all issues.

“The ‘democratic spirit’… [or the campaign to make everyone the same] leads to a nation without great [people], a nation mainly of subliterates, full of the cocksureness which flattery breeds on ignorance, and quick to snarl or whimper at the first hint of criticism.” – C. S. Lewis

yet another bruce March 7, 2024 10:38 AM

@Bownse

In the spirit of precision, I offer this:

The United States system of government is a republic in the sense that representatives are selected who vote on legislation. It is also a republic in the sense that we have no monarch. It is also a democracy since these representatives are chosen by popular election. It is also a federation since the nation is partitioned into states and many functions of government are handled at the state level. In many states, there is also a ballot initiative process which is an example of direct democracy.

As Java zealots are fond of pointing out, multiple inheritance often leads to ambiguities.

yet another bruce March 7, 2024 10:42 AM

I take some comfort in the fact that AI could be just as useful for sousveillance as surveillance. We are losing our local press coverage of important local issues including simple stuff like crime blotter and local government meetings. I would happily subscribe to an AI-generated digest of local news.

Anon E. Moose March 7, 2024 1:48 PM

AI can really only give the “Average” Answer to a problem. On top of that the built in Biases of the programmer/trainer should by now be very evident in AI products. The politics of those responsible must always be questioned or the democratic process in our Republic will cease.

Clive Robinson March 7, 2024 3:52 PM

@ Bruce, ALL,

Re : Failure is mostly the outcome.

“While there have been high-profile setbacks and delays in many of these projects—the Webb space telescope cost billions of dollars and decades of time more than originally planned—private firms have these failures too. And, when dealing with high-stakes tech, these delays are not necessarily unexpected.”

Time for the cold water of reality…

In the private sector way less than 5% of projects are any kind of success. Only about 10% ever get to the stage where they partially work but are way late and or over budget with much that was originally requested is missing.

The bigger the project the more likely it is to fail, and fail badly in the private sector. Way worse than Government agencies.

Yup… The Government agencies are usually better than the private sector when it comes to “big to mega projects”.

The reason we think otherwise is for a couple or so of reasons.

1, Private sector can and does hide by far the majority of failures due to shareholder value, bonuses, etc. The fact success is claimed does not make it true, and failure can be hidden in various ways.

2, With the exception of one or two government agencies failures can not be hidden nor original requirements used for budget s changed.

The secret to having “success” is keep it small and keep it rolling.

Think about a project as no more than ten pages of code, that get added to existing code.

If an individual project fails, “no Biggie” it’s a prototype for the next project. If a project is nolonger needed being small it can just be pulled/replaced. You have to “trim the cruft” and tidy up harder than you write new code. As for testing… Well the more you do the more you know the code.

The unfortunate side effect of not doing this is that tsunami of technical debt where the world comes crashing down at some point. Which means the smart people get out when they see the crest form.

certtus March 7, 2024 6:00 PM

“Serious policymakers {aka Politicians} from both sides of the aisle should recognize the imperative for public-interested leaders {Government control} not to abdicate control of the future of AI to corporate titans {evil private business men}. We do not need to reinvent our democracy for AI, but we do need to renovate and reinvigorate it to offer an effective alternative to untrammeled corporate control that could erode our democracy.”

… so GOVERNMENT = GOOD technology-management & control

PRIVATE FREE ENTERPRISE = BAD management/control

.

that’s the standard Leftist political dogma.

US CONGRESS is highly dysfunctional and corrupt — they can’t manage anything competently … much less AI !

ResearcherZero March 7, 2024 6:03 PM

It’s mostly men running these companies? Will there be Romantics and Technophobes?

Will they come to the party? Or will we all retreat into isolationism and fear?

“Dominant discursive arguments of today fall back on historical crutches and habit. In contrast to this we live in a technological sphere that is radically altering our communication, experience and understanding of the world.”

The event aims to speak to the forces that shape the way we see and understand through the eyes of a machinic world. Through human and non-human entanglements, the world today is plural and encoded as information; issues of codification, control, bias, learning, and computational creativity will be examined and discussed as open territories to actively identify and participate in the pressing complexities of this world.

‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjsqObiHX8k

deer stroll peacefully past computers

https://allpoetry.com/All-Watched-Over-By-Machines-Of-Loving-Grace

together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky

The Fountainhead – the world will be stable once you all become nodes in the network

‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6EBpLfLHCA

“Beginning in the last decades of the 18th century, it transformed poetry, the novel, drama, painting, sculpture, all forms of concert music (especially opera), and ballet. It was deeply connected with the politics of the time, echoing people’s fears, hopes, and aspirations. It was the voice of revolution at the beginning of the 19th century and the voice of the Establishment at the end of it.”

No other intellectual/artistic movement has had comparable variety, reach, and staying power since the end of the Middle Ages.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100528014616/http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/hum_303/romanticism.html

ResearcherZero March 7, 2024 6:09 PM

These are powerful tools that can be used generously for community benefit.

ResearcherZero March 7, 2024 6:29 PM

The crow lowers its beak
Its yellow eye turns to stare
Deep into your soul,
and asks, “What will you do?”

“Arrk!”

Clive Robinson March 7, 2024 11:47 PM

@ certtus,

Re : The reflection in the mirror…

“that’s the standard Leftist political dogma.

US CONGRESS is highly dysfunctional and corrupt — they can’t manage anything competently … much less AI !”

Oh look at the neo-con proud boy wannabe…

As an outsider to the US looking in, I can safely say that it’s not just US Congress that is “highly dysfunctional and corrupt” on both sides, but also most large US Corps.

In fact the question arises as to just what nonsense the US education system pumps into young minds to give such blatant cognitive bias that those who utter it the way you do don’t even realise the bovine scat they pump out is so laughable.

ResearcherZero March 8, 2024 2:09 AM

@Clive

Don’t give the public ideas about how corrupt business is. You’ll ruin my reputation.
Worse, you’ll give them ideas. They might even figure out. Nah not a chance actually. 🙂

They do not have the slightest idea how large companies are started, how doors open for the “right” people. These chumps can’t even understand redistribution of the tax bracket. They still actually believe they get a cut. 😀 Imagine for a second that those suckers work out how much leverage, control and influence that big business and the various business bodies have over them. They’ll want us to release land, build public housing, or be open and transparent about how we finance the individual people and their business ideas that we want to succeed.

I no longer like fly fishing, I hate polo, and I hate all my friends, family and relatives.

Push things too far, I might get a call then actually have to go and sort out problems which I no longer care about. I need the company of my peers like a need a nail driven into my skull. I don’t mind the mining chaps, but all the other pr— really annoy me. The master builders, those guys are so boring, and the developers, #### those #####. Plus me ol school chums got caught for various financial crimes I don’t want to be associated with.

We already have one socially inept engineer dribbling on his pet “social” platform. Let these people worship their “self made” heroes and their “champions of freedom”. Otherwise they might wake up to the scam one day and figure out how all this s–t really works.

“Is there anything I could have done to improve your highway robbery experience?”

Your bankcard has been declined. Please drive around 300km to your nearest branch.

‘https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-07/bankwest-branch-closures-regional-western-australia/103555390

ResearcherZero March 8, 2024 2:21 AM

@certtus

If anyone ever mentions “probity and compliance”, don’t fill out the paperwork. 😉 😉

‘https://time.com/6836703/pig-butchering-scam-victim-loss-money-study-crypto/

ResearcherZero March 8, 2024 4:59 AM

The local post office is now one of the few institutions left in smaller regional and remote communities that still provides services to the local population. In an increasing number of these communities, outlets that provide postal services, along with a general store for the surrounding area, are becoming entirely community owned and run out of necessity. Without such efforts, these communities would be without any local services.

Large corporations can afford to completely shut up shop in regional towns and save money.
Because of the current economic model, it is increasingly profitable to ignore generosity, social responsibilities, and anything that may benefit society at large. Selflessness attracts little interest from many of the leading economists or financial regulators. Even the large economic bodies long ignored societal effects of developments in digital finance.

This narrow sighted attention has reduced access, increasing isolation and insecurity.

People can be cut off if telecommunication services are disrupted in regional and remote areas. Without access to payment services, this leaves many helpless and trapped. A large and powerful weather event, or a simple error, and ‘lights out’. Without food and fuel.

Clive Robinson March 8, 2024 7:48 AM

@ ResearchZero, ALL,

Re : Scouts were once told “Be prepared”…

“People can be cut off if telecommunication services are disrupted in regional and remote areas. Without access to payment services, this leaves many helpless and trapped. A large and powerful weather event, or a simple error, and ‘lights out’. Without food and fuel.”

This is going to be increasingly the case and Western Governments want to force things on people as a method of surveillance and control,

1, Electronic communications.
2, Electronic payment.

When that is compleate they will own everyone who is not otherwise ready 100% and in most cases having you dead is most profitable for them and their “friends”.

The thing is they want to control “infrastructure” and turn more things into “infrastructure” but they don’t want to ensure infrastructure is,

“Safe, Secure, or Survivable.”

Which means that,

1, Reliability thus,
2, Availability.

Are both about as close to zero as you can get without it being totally obvious to all

There are three effects people need to understand about infrastructure,

1, Cascade failure.
2, Latch up failure.
3, Surge failure.

All work together to make a simple failure into a catastrophic event that will kill a large part of the population if preventative precautions are not in place.

Preventative precautions come in three flavours,

1, Personal precautions.
2, Operator precautions.
3, Societal precautions.

C19 and the US Executive saying that emergency equipment the States had paid for was actually the Executive property to do with as they saw fit, is why “Societal Precautions”(3) don’t work for the citizens in a strongly capitalist or fascist nation. The citizens pay but get robbed by the Executive that then plays favourites.

I should think that PG&E in California, the Texas run power grid and Colonial Oil across various US states should tell people what “Shareholder value”, “Executive Bonuses” and “Corrupt Practices” are all about by now. I’ve written a fair bit on this blog on them in the past with others bringing in associated facts as actual evidence. So it’s why “Operator Precautions”(2) do not happen these days as the distant shareholder has to be paid in large amounts as do executives, as long as they get the big cut and can “ride away into the sunset” like Bandits heading “south of the boarder down Mexico way” the citizens who pay can be hung out to freeze dry etc.

Which leaves “Personal Precautions” as the only thing “Jo/Joe Citizen” can do. Back before the 1960’s this was quite common in none city areas. Anyone who had spare space and a little excess could build up a years supply of food, water, energy and other essentials.

If you read the information from the Red Cross and some US Federal agencies you will find you need,

1, Clean air.
2, 4ltrs of clean water
3, 1kg of energy dense foods
4, about 0.5kg of soluble fiber foods

Per person per day. For a four person family that’s 20kg of supplies a day or just under 7.5 tons of supplies that at the barest minimum will occupy 10cubic meters of volume (or about 350cubic feet if my brain remembers correctly). All of which needs suitable strength flooring etc.

Then there is,

5, Three sets of all season clothing
6, Two sets of all season bed clothes.
7, About one bar of “hard soap” a week to wash people and cloths.
8, Appropriate emergency all season shelter personal and tentage etc.
9, The tools and materials to maintain all of the above.

Oh and don’t forget the knowledge to survive and maintain it all.

Oh and also,

Seed and land to keep it all going, along with recycling the waste…

Back in the 1930’s this was all “common knowledge and practice”.

Now you would be lucky to find it in a public library.

As for medicine etc, it’s not going to happen in the “on going” Personal Precautions.

But getting back to why things “fail hard and stay failed”

Before the Internet a lot of people were employed in keeping the basic electricity, natural gas, water, sewerage, and communications infrastructure up and functioning. They knew how to bring failed systems back up by hand. For “shareholder value” such people nolonger exist and existing infrastructure hardware is wearing out. So no guesses required as to what is going to happen… Look at New Zealand and it’s electricity supply failures to see this. California and the fires caused by PG&E and why they were made bankrupt. As for Texas[1] and Colonial… Well…

So a simple failure in one part will cause a failure in another part and before either can be fixed it will “cascade out” to wider areas. The fact that equipment left on will take upto ten times the normal power to restart called the “power up surge” will cause other failures some “hard fails” that will burn switches and transmission cables/transformers out.

This causes one type of latching effect. But new to this current era is in laying off staff they’ve been replaced by ICT systems that themselves run on electricity and the “backup power” is minimal at maybe three days and very definitely flakey because it’s not maintained correctly or anything close to adequately. So bringing it back up falls back on staff that nolonger exist…

But with power down comms goes down as well. In the US nearly the entire nation is now beyond critically dependent on electronic communications…

There is something you will hear about called the “Rule of three’s” put simply your brain dies if it’s three minutes without oxygen, you can die in three hours without heat, or in some places cooling. Your organs die if you are three days without water. You stave to death in 30days without food, and so on. Chuck in disease, infection and all those nasties from not disposing of waste and garbage, oh and your pets turning around and eating you whilst you are still warm… For some reason the average quoted is a multiple of three for some unit of time. Even the old saw of,

“Society is thee meals from anarchy.”

Being “personally prepared” as your grand parents were and the Scout / Guide associations used to teach children appears to be gone… Instead the figures suggest on average 2/3rds of the US population has a gun and enough ammunition to cause real trouble… How hungry will you or your kids need to get before you go out robbing carrying a gun to deal with those who object to you stealing?

Now you know why certain billionaires have well stocked bunkers all over the place and transport to them continuously on stand by… Likewise politicians. All at the citizens expense.

[1] Oh and don’t forget the price of beef is almost certainly going to go up a lot due to the grass fires across north Texas due to very poor land management in “cattle country” where a very sizable percentage of US cattle are farmed and now or very soon will be no more. This will almost certainly have a knock-on effect into the world food supply where “Disaster Capitalism” will jack the consumer prices up even more.

JonKnowsNothing March 8, 2024 10:17 AM

My vague 2 cents on the topic

  • In the USA there is NO public good there is only Profit.
  • In case anyone has forgotten, OpenAI and SAltman started out as a Non Profit for the Public Good. Then they waffled a bit to a Capped Profit version to pay the bills. But when M$ came with barrels of $$$$ all of the Public Good got jettisoned along with the only 2 members of the board who valued Public Good. Currently that waffle is worth $80 Billion and heading to $7 Trillion.

That buys a lot of syrup.

  • This scenario was the same as when the NSA showed up at Don’t Be Evil Google, and the guys around the conference table where shown suitcases full of hard cash, more than they ever envisioned, to be Evil.

Evil Pays Better. YOLOBaby

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YOLO – You only live once.

echo March 8, 2024 10:26 AM

Bruce is reinventing post-WII capitalism. But what if a well regulated mixed economy social democratic model took off? Oh, the horrors! We might have stuff work and work for the benefit of society and, cough splutter, have accountability!!! The poors might get ideas!

JonKnowsNothing March 8, 2024 10:41 AM

@ ResearchZero, @ Clive, ALL

Re : People can be cut off if telecommunication services are disrupted

In California and most of the USA, you do not need a service disruption to be cut off of telecom services.

As part of the Collusion between Service Providers and the Handset Industry with the Software and Hardware folks pumping up the scheme, the most important thing is Min-Max.

  • Min Costs – Max Profits

Currently, as in now, many Service Providers are able to dump

  • Low Cost Internet rebates. This was ~$30/household
  • Remove rural or distant connections from their service area. Anything outside of the dense urban zones will get No Signal.

There are 2 different laws involved with FCC and Congressional phone rules.

  • Congress did not re-fund the low cost internet connection, so everyone who had this will have their bill go up $30. That may not seem much, but it is quite a lot considering this was for low-income households.
  • The Service Providers are successfully lobbying the FCC about having deal with remote users who need hard wire or better signals to their area. You can find an easy map to these areas by looking at where the massive fires have been. The Service Providers would normally be required to restore phone service to those areas but all the Dead Trees burned down with all the Live Trees, so they would have to put in a massive effort to restore services, which now need to be constructed underground.

    • Folks have to walk to the top of the hill where they might get a signal (1)

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1) A movie scene of someone stuck in a remote wilderness, has the actor running around in the dense forest holding up their smartphone trying to find a signal.

  • Just ONE bar! Just ONE bar! It’s all I need is ONE bar! (no bars) – FK!

Clive Robinson March 8, 2024 10:57 AM

@ cybershow,

Re : Comment used to be free, but now…

“Sadly I think that crowd have zero interest in public affairs.”

Two points to note about that site,

1, Who owns the “site”.
2, It requires traceability to post.

There is a noticeable decline in people posting to certain types of blog these days.

Interestingly it appears to have an inverse correlation with potential traceability.

Is it coincidence or cause and effect?

But is even coincidence also cause and effect?

That is there appears to be an increased awareness of people being traced by data brokers and the like. As in times past employers are looking for reasons not to employ people. Anything that might sound like “Union”, “Employees Rights”, or just “Human Rights” in general has been seen as “Red Flag” for many major tech corporates. Amazon in particular appear to hunt out any sign of potential “stand up” as a reason to terminate.

We are now in a time when well paying jobs are getting scarce again and those available are not only not really high salaried, nor are they in any way secure.

As with manufacturing a few decades back employers are “outsourcing abroad if not off shoring entire divisions”

Traceably sticking your head up above the parapet at the begining of your career is now increasingly seen by the more thoughtful as “unwise” to put it politely.

When an industry gets captured by those who score highly in the dark pentad at the management level yet those they manage are in effect on the opposite tail of the distribution curve then those in management will clearly shaft those who actually do the work.

The OpenAI nonsense just a short while back, it’s clear that many at OpenAI think they are going to get rich… I doubt it, management at the senior level either put in or advised by the VC’s will use it to keep them in line then shaft the lot of them in one way or another. We keep seeing it happen and nobody below senior management appears to learn.

JonKnowsNothing March 8, 2024 11:20 AM

@ ResearchZero, ALL

Re : Tractors and telecommunication services are disrupted

In the Farm to Table problem, a lot of people do not realize how internet connected many farms are. Lots of farming business, machinery and operations require On Line High Reliability.

One common complaint is

You are out in your internet connection required satellite laser guided tractor harvester and the signal drops. The tractor stops. The harvester doesn’t move.

You are dead in the field.

Then after 2hrs – 2days a tech shows up who has never been inside such a machine. Sits there and does some fiddling. The Tech tells you to go have lunch as it will be awhile and later sends a txt that the machine is all fixed.

When you come back the Tractor is still dead in the field.

Call for support:

* Tech: I updated the software

* Farmer: Did you try to start it?

JonKnowsNothing March 8, 2024 11:35 AM

@Clive, All

re: The OpenAI nonsense just a short while back, it’s clear that many at OpenAI think they are going to get rich… I doubt it, management at the senior level either put in or advised by the VC’s will use it to keep them in line then shaft the lot of them in one way or another.

Computer folks might be very clever, but like most others, they do not read the entire forest-of-dead-trees worth of fine print. They read the summary page or worse the executive summary page.

Ordinary people do not read their health insurance manual or coverage details, just going with the Summary of Benefits. They don’t find out what is not covered until they get sick and find out their coverage isn’t what they thought it was and any sick leave financial support is not how they imagined.

All the details are in the documents but many are on-line as they run hundreds of pages of fine print.

So you don’t know until you need it or until you don’t get the big payout or the IRS shows up to collect funds on stocks and bonuses you never had in fist but you owe taxes on it just the same.

echo March 8, 2024 1:00 PM

All the details are in the documents but many are on-line as they run hundreds of pages of fine print.

I’ve clean forgot the law and case law on this but it doesn’t really fly in the UK. Onerous and unclear contracts can be challenged and you also can’t sign away your rights in law. For retail goods there’s this thing called “fit for purpose”. Enhanced due diligence applies when it involves Convention rights.

For a lot of problems the law actually exists in one form or another. It’s just jobtitles and lawyers and the public forget, or they bungle the case because it’s not very common and they’ve forgotten all the ins and outs. This is why some statute is created as it rolls it all up in one place. While anyone can bring a case it’s not like the US where any case is heard just because. If someone is trying it on it can be dismissed as a vexatious case.

All the bloat and dingdong a broken system creates makes raw GDP look good but really it’s just a form of waste with a disproportionately negative impact raw GDP figures hide. Tweak the GDP measure and things don’t look so hot. So just a few tweaks to the US legal system and the problem begins to go away.

Intelligent people really are quiet lazy and the key to this is being lazy. As new things are learned then integrated the rest literally gets forgotten. Yes, intelligent people have a smaller buffer for wasteful memories. Solving a problem before it happens also saves work. Now if you have to apply yourself to a task when you have forgotten all the junk the relearning process is easier and guided by expertise. So, again, a lazy system. Of course if you’re just lazy then you’re thick because you never get far enough to be intelligent.

It could be said universal healthcare is an example of an intelligent system. Yes it’s dumb in some ways but that’s because it’s basically like a heuristic application with the code put though an optimising compiler and the data precompiled. It’s certainly a lazy system.

This leaves more time for fun stuff!

ResearcherZero March 9, 2024 1:51 AM

@JonKnowsNothing

“That is a diesel, you put petrol in it.” (thankfully not the other way around)

Diesel in a petrol bus is not good, or tractor, or car. The other one is more easily fixed.
You are thinking about the Taylor Swift concert, then the next minute all the warning lights are alight! “Me flaming tractor. What have you done this time?” 😀

“If we can understand the problem well, then we can design better algorithms for it.”

‘https://www.quantamagazine.org/new-breakthrough-brings-matrix-multiplication-closer-to-ideal-20240307/

ResearcherZero March 9, 2024 2:12 AM

@echo

It is very complicated, the law. Even the lawyers, the judges and the prosecutors do not understand all the various different areas of law. There are many clauses and other rulings that change the application and the context in which different rules apply. People are busy too, a lot of time is wasted with frivolous suites, important matters deferred. Cases and evidence are lost, misplaced and ‘disappear’ o. Witnesses do forget, and they also drop dead. Victims also drop dead, completely naturally of course, without anyone’s help at all.

Much of the material is laying around, but you have to know, then you have to find it.

(And want to.)

The same thing happens with the legal system and details. Presumed dead? Someones address is not always correct, or details are oddly missing entirely. It’s sort of related:

“documents disappearing from their expected location” (dead links and archives)

‘https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/03/study-finds-that-we-could-lose-science-if-publishers-go-bankrupt/

Clive Robinson March 9, 2024 3:58 AM

Roku compleat TOSers?

Hands up anyone who did not see this coming,

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/disgraceful-messy-tos-update-allegedly-locks-roku-devices-until-users-give-in/

Where a “self entitled” moron of a Corporate “general counsel” thinks they are able to do what they like without consequences…

How about some one find out who they are and all the officers of Roku and publish their home addresses so that rather than post the required information people can go around and get a personally signed receipt for it.

In the past various people including the Managing Director of Microsoft UK have found this to be quite persuasive argument from an unhappy customer especially at 08:00 on a Sunday morning or similar (if someone knows when the “Accept Button” appeared then that gives “reciprocal” licence to use the same time to get the general counsel’s legal Signature regardless of what time of day it is…

Oh not sure if the fact the device becomes locked, thus an impediment if you can have “reciprocal” impediment to lock the General Councils home untill they do sign along with your updated terms of service?

Oh and there the General Council has decided to put in the TOS they’ve produced, that could be used as well to consider on top of that,

“… users must make “a good-faith effort” to negotiate with Roku, or vice versa, for at least 45 days before entering arbitration.”

Thus you could argue them out of their home or other accommodation, dwelling or other place to hide / shelter for a month and a half.

What’s the weather like in California at this time of year?

ResearcherZero March 9, 2024 4:15 AM

Message on the support forum:

“Pull yourself over the fence with your own bootstraps, and if you see Grandfather Time, please avoid him.”

Clive Robinson March 9, 2024 4:52 AM

@ Bruce, ALL,

Is your browser slow?

Apparently visiting a WordPress site with JavaScript on can be a problem,

https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/03/attack-wrangles-thousands-of-web-users-into-a-password-cracking-botnet/

“Attackers have transformed hundreds of hacked sites running WordPress software into command-and-control servers that force visitors’ browsers to perform password-cracking attacks.”

Why is this happening?

As Denis Sinegubko who discovered it wrote,

“This is how thousands of visitors across hundreds of infected websites unknowingly and simultaneously try to bruteforce thousands of other third-party WordPress sites,”

“And since the requests come from the browsers of real visitors, you can imagine this is a challenge to filter and block such requests.”

The simple solution is to go into your browsers “site settings” and turn off JavaScript as I’ve advised users to do for well over a decade now.

Similarly more recent tools like “noscript” or some “adblockers” may stop it.

But many “full stack” developers take exception to you not allowing them to use your CPU for their benefit / profit so they quite deliberately and unlawfully [1] cripple their web sites.

My view is if they do so then “go somewhere else” most of the time content is very far from unique.

In fact one way around some of the more moronic online newspaper paywalls is to search for words in either a “quote” or “URL”. In the case of the Rupert “the bare faced lier” Murdoch rags, they have all to often stolen the article from another site and just slightly reworded it… Thus search engines will pull up the original that like as not does not use a paywall.

[1] The use of JavaScript and similar is do this is not just unlawful but prosecutable in quite a few places due to “Disability Discrimination” legislation. Those with some vision impatient use tools to make web sites readable to them. The deliberate use by developers of javascript and the blocking of site functionality can stop these disability alleviating tools from working which easily qualifies as discrimination.

Bobby March 10, 2024 3:03 PM

I definitely don’t want “the people to decide” matter on AI. No guarantee the people know what they’re doing. I am a big fan of the Society Library for taking the approach of creating maps of reason about AI instead. Policy should be based on evidence, not uninformed public whims.

Clive Robinson March 11, 2024 6:46 AM

@ Bobby,

Re : To late after the fact.

“Policy should be based on evidence, not uninformed public whims.”

Hmm that’s a very poor attitude and use of reason.

Firstly “evidence is after the fact” when the harm has been done.

That is you are only a crazy killer after you’ve killed one or more humans. I’m not sure what the maximum is for “going postal” but it’s a lot of injury and death.

Importantly there are usually clear indicators in advance that if acted upon would have limited or stopped the harm.

But it’s also the “Capitalist” or “Neo-Con” way.

How about the Boeing 737 Max disaster where the equivalent of pre-AI with agency flew two planes into the ground.

How about the AI with agency vehicles that have run people down or driven into other vehicles causing death and other harms.

Just how many more people have to die because AI systems from 1980’s “expert systems” through to the latest self re-enforcing Hallucinating AI is given agency over people?

But “Capitalism” neo-con behaviours are,

1, Drive up profit,
2, Drive down cost,
3, Ignore risk.

So they are attracted to AI systems like flies to a warm wet pile of Bovine Scat.

You as a consumer are supposed to have “choice” one aspect of which is to wisely not have anything to do with AI Only systems that might have agency over you in some way.

But as most find out,

“In Capitalist / neo-con lead health care there is no choice.”

I could go on and give so many examples of this as can others but in the past such comments have been at best very ephemeral.

Then there are other area’s of harm, go look up RoboDebt and similar systems used for “political mantra” as well as neo-con reasons. People have been hurt beyond belief by them through no fault of their own. Yet do we see those who put such harmful systems in place getting punished like the mass murderers they are?

No of course not they get promoted and rewarded in oh so many other ways.

Thus contrary to what evidence suggests should be done with AI systems and those pushing them, we are encouraging people to do the opposite and inflict significant harms on those who realistically can not defend themselves. Such that a few can “for profit or reward” in true sociopathic ways benefit.

The evidence that all AI systems from the early soft-AI and similar of the 1980’s right through to the current and proposed “climate damaging” systems should not be given agency without way more expensive supervision is extensive.

Ivan Durakov March 31, 2024 10:01 AM

This is a republic, not a democracy. There is a difference. In latter day US terms, “democracy” means rule by the demshevik criminal enterprise masquerading as a political party, with the help of their RINO lapdogs. Their goal is to institutionalize transfer of your wealth to their political operatives and selves. If you merely disagree with them or otherwise resist their theft, you are a “threat to democracy”.

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